CONTROVERSY: is there a debt owed to America's historically victimized black people?

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Running through the dark center of American history there is a vivid red thread of tragedy. Deep in the national subconscious lies the stain put there by the fact that through nearly half of its independent existence the nation had to live with an intolerable thing which could never be rationally justified nor peacefully disposed of -- the institution of human slavery.

Bruce Catton
American Heritage, 1956


Robt Shepherd

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The       Debt




by RobtShepherd

Let justice run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

Most of us have heard of the controversial book by Randall Robinson, "The Debt" in which he lays out the moral and practical reasons for reparations to the descendants of those victimized by the American holocaust (slavery and oppression of African Americans).

A generation before Robinson, Elijah Muhammad was telling the world that white man owed a debt to the Black Man. (Of course he said much less about white man's treatment of his "own" white women.) Elijah said, in effect: Every white man in America, when he looks into a Black Man's face, should fall to his knees and say, "I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry -- my kind have committed history's greatest crime against your kind; how can you ever forgive me? Please let me try to atone." (But Elijah added, he knew it would never happen. No. White man has rejected God. He has chosen hatred (not love), and self-delusion (not honesty). [4:18 PM June 06, 2010]

The debt issue --- more specifically Robinson's proposal for reparations --- has split the African American community, largely along political lines, with conservative blacks generally uncomfortable with the idea, and many if not most liberal blacks more or less positive and supportive of the idea. (Sharpton, Mfume)

A few of the most outspoken (and also brilliant) Black Conservatives have ripped the entire idea to shreds, including Thomas Sowell. Including Walter Williams.

Only very few conservative Blacks have spoken positively of reparations. Glenn Loury, the economist, is one. His reasons focus as much on the practical benefits to all Americans as on the moral side.

Dr. Loury
conservative scholar Glenn Loury

I tend to agree with Loury. I certainly would not get any direct benefit from it, but all of us would benefit indirectly, through value added, through the positive fallout from a positive deed.

Whether you use theistic language or otherwise, God blesses those nations who do justice and sound judgment. History proves nothing if not precisely that.

Taking the short run, NO, our generation can hardly be expected to rejoice at the thought of paying taxes to repay historic injustice committed by our ancestors. But over the long run, justice and judgment is always the path of right. It is always the path of divine blessing. And it is just the right thing to do.

We ought to consider it. NO, I admit that `we whites` will not benefit directly, but indirectly how can we not be blessed in the long run? Instead of the cursory treatment the subject has gotten, is it not time it is studied, quantified, debated, and detailed with serious earnestness?

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Black-Worship Syndrome

by Ragnarok8 (posted on StormFront blog)

About Ragnarok8
I have a Master's Degree in Psychology and I have completed most of my doctorate. I was trained to spot anomalies in groups including group hysteria. Mass hysteria (also called collective hysteria, mass psychogenic illness, or collective obsessional behavior) is the socio-psychological phenomenon of the manifestation of the same or similar hysterical symptoms or irrational/conditioned belief system by more than one person.

White men turned sissies
I am going to tell you something now that you have heard nowhere else. It is a description of a strange type of mass hysteria that has gripped most white American male civilians. It is rooted in years of media conditioning or brainwashing, that is repeated relentlessly, 24-7 in every television commercial, movie, church, billboard and more. It is a form of Orwellian conditioning that has affected most American white men. It has made them more effeminate, fat, less stable, very suggestible and worshippers of black males.

The effeminate "hysteria" of white men
Most political analysts who are objective, and that is a tiny group, agree that resistant, for example, is an Afro-Socialist group. The white male members are imbued with a strange psychological mind set and are very emotional about it. Most of the men evidencing this new mass hysterical phenomena are not really masculine in the former definition of the term and many women notice the difference. For example women describe such males as "not the type of men who would be protective."

As a group, white male hysterics illogically feel that any criticism of black groups which are racist, criminal, parasitical or socialist, is itself racist and they will not allow it. They feel it very strongly and argue with a trembling emotionalism heretofore consider a female trait.

White male black-hysterics are very uncomfortable and feel a sense of fear if they find themselves in all white groups. If they are in an entirely white group they begin asking themselves, "why are there no blacks here?" Sometimes, when their internal pressure builds up to the overheated pressure cooker state, they explode out loud with the question: "Why are there no blacks here, is this a racist group?" You see, on television, in movies and in advertising, there is no group without blacks in it. Although blacks are only 10% of the population, you see them in every group advertisement by public media. Most Hollywood movies now have black stars, so the conditioned white males believe that blacks are here in far more higher ratios. In interviews they have said that blacks are 30 to 60% of the American population because that is how blacks are depicted in nearly every advertisement and all media. Currently the media features Obama in positive stories daily and give him more favorable publicity than any other president in the past 50 years. It's like the Orwellian book 1984, which describes the fact that pictures of "the leader" are everywhere and broadcast continually by the media.

The appealing masculinity of potent black men
At the same time blacks are always presented as strong masculine leaders and smarter than white people, in fact blacks are promoted so zealously in the media that the media always depicts black males as the number one mating choice of attractive, even beautiful, white females. Is it any wonder that there are so many demasculated white males who want to be led by a black? They realize that they are missing a certain potency and think that by "hanging out" with blacks some of the black potency might rub off on them.

In fact without black presence and black cultural artifacts such as jive talking, they feel positively uncomfortable. That is why they elected a black foreigner as president and why the GOP has a black leader. It does not matter what the political, criminal, racist or other beliefs of the black male are, the just have to have them. Notice how this genre of black-hysterical white males greet black males with great affection and so do their white wives. The look is one of adoration. Their most important agenda is black cultural dominance and although you may scoff now, sooner or later you will notice it, unless you are black-hysteric too.

Our brainwashed Negro-worshipping society
White-male black-hysterics are conditioned to believe that they are "safe" and "part of the mainstream" as long as they promote black influence. They want to please blacks with every fiber of their soul. Anyone who disagrees is a white supremacist or baby killer or whatever other cross invective enters their fevered minds. They do not care if their chosen black leader is a tyrant or communist, in fact most of the men have somehow lost their masculinity and "desire" black dominance regardless of other character factors. This psychology drive is the result of years of media conditioning. When in a self-reinforcing group white male hysterics gang up on a single white man with a vicious result, it is because they see racism everywhere. For example, on a forum I recently referred to Afro-racism which is an admitted feature of most blacks, even by social scientists. I was attacked by a white male on the forum who accused me of being a racist and white supremacist who would cause the group to be destroyed by my spreading of hatred. He said, "I am a life-long conservative and I have learned to recognize you racists. He denied black crime statistics, the fact that over 500,000 black males are members of armed gangs that control slices of 71 American cities, and other such facts. He tossed them all aside with more and more emotional charges of racism. He said there are more white criminals, racist, serial killers and everything that is bad, percentage wise, than there are blacks." He was joined by several other very emotional Republicans who voiced the opinion that they were "proud to be led by black leaders and in fact preferred them. There is no difference between the races."

The Obama phenomenon -- his perfect hero image
When I brought up Obama, they said:"Who even notices he is black? He is just as likely to be white. People like you hate him because he is black; we are working against him because of his policies. Race has nothing to do with it." That is their mantra. They deny the very force that has them in its thrall. They elected a black criminal president to prove that they were not racist and they are rabid about it.

The most tragic factor of this psychotic phenomenon is the importance of denial. Black-hysterical white males deny not only any black culpability in anything criminal or racist, but they also deny their black-worshipping hysteria. Yet the phenomena is so well known on the street, that large numbers of white teenagers dress and talk like blacks to the extent that they are called "wiggers."

[ the above discussion by Ragnarok8 was posted on stormfront forum "Politics & Continuing Crises" on 04-28-2009, 10:39 AM]

StormFront blasts interracial blending

Lincoln and Obama
SWP - another common theme of either neo-nazis, skinheads, or storm-front types is their total shock and discomfiture at the ongoing (broad-based) popularity of Barack Obama, both in the United States, and in fact on a global scale. "Worst President Since Lincoln." There is no one more hated in American history than Abraham Lincoln. No one more reviled by white supremacists. Now, it appears, the "devil" Lincoln has company. Obama wins the prize as most evil SINCE Lincoln!!

[comment by Bob Shepherd]

Debating Lincoln

America must make amends

Our greatness demands it

The turbulent sixties and seventies in some sense provided a wake-up call to a great many white Americans. The Civil Rights Movement suddenly showed them that "not all" was right with the world. "What are Negroes so upset about?" was the surprised white reaction. But for blacks, it was a growth moment, and more. Dr. King called it an important form of patriotism, and loyalty to the land we love. The Prophetic calling. Like prophets of old, dissenters call for responsible change. America must "Be All That She Can Be."

Marianne Williamson brings it home even further. "We are a great country, and like all nations we have made our mistakes. Our greatness lies in our holding to sacred, internal truths. A big nation, like a big individual, admits when it has made mistakes, atones for its errors, and asks God and man for a chance to begin again. This would not make us look weak to the rest of the world. It would make us look humble and honest, two traits without which there is not greatness.

And wouldn't it be wonderful -- Abraham Lincoln paved the way -- if we could just make one huge, simple apology to all black Americans? "On behalf of our ancestors, we apologize for bringing you as slaves from your native home. We recognize the pain that this terrible violation has caused generations of good people. Please forgive us. Let us begin again." And then, the least we can do is build a lasting memorial to the American slaves. White Americans have more of an internal need to do this than blacks.

[A Return to Love. 1993]


Rajen Persaud
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Deep in My Heart ~ I do Believe
We Shall Overcome Some Day
Are interracial couples still targets of hate and misunderstanding? Do you have a personal story (or know first-hand) of persecution, bigotry and especially stories with a happy ending, a testimony of overcoming hatred. After all, the rainbow promise of the Good Book is that love will one day completely triumph over hatred and bigotry and fear. God bless those who courageously chose love, and believe in the rainbow. Would you share?

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Africa, mother of the human race
Africa is our mother, the mother of us all, yet her sons, instead of honoring her, have turned against her.

Eric Hoffer mentions the much decried rush of European powers in the second half of the nineteenth century to grab colonies in central Africa. Then he goes on to tell of equally horrendous depradations by armed bands of Arabs from Zanzibar

laying waste that part of the African continent in their search for ivory and slaves. Equipped with firearms, the Arabs looted ivory, grain and cattle, made slaves of the able-bodied natives, burned villages and wantonly killed those who did not escape into the bush.

Endless caravans of ivory-carrying slaves wound their way to the east coast. During the 1860s, seventy thousand slaves were sold annually in the [Arab's] Zanzibar slave market. It has been estimated that for every slave who reached the coast at least ten died of hunger, exhaustion and disease. The Arabs killed the slaves who lagged behind. One could trace the route of the slave caravan by the vultures and hyenas feeding on the putrefying corpses. Had the Arabs been allowed to have their way for the balance of the century, much of Africa below the Sahara would have become an empty wasteland. It was the entrance of the colonial powers that brought to an end 'the darkest days of Dark Africa.'

The wanton cruelty of the Arab slave traders has been attested to by many explorers and travelers. David Livingstone, though befriended by a leading slave trader, Tippu Tib, was haunted in his last days by the horrors he had seen. In a late entry in his diary he tells of sights 'so nauseous that I always strive to drive them from memory. But the slaving scenes come back unbidden and make me start up at dead of night horrified by their vividness.' He called the Arab slave trade 'this open sore of the world.'

To an American there is poignancy in the fact that in the early 1860s, when the depradations of the Arabs were gathering momentum, hundreds of thousands of American soldiers died or were maimed to abolish Negro slavery in the United States. Yet many black Americans feel a greater affinity with the descendants of Arab slavers than with Americans whose forefathers fought one of the bloodiest civil wars in history to set the Negro free. How is one to explain this paradox? The answer generally given is that the Arab world has no Negro problem despite the fact that more black slaves were brought to Arab countries than to the North American continent. The children of Arab masters and black concubines were free. Black slaves became members of their master's household and lived no worse than the majority of Arabs. Such an answer, however, ignores other, less benign, facts. Thus, most blacks in the Arab world are members of the lower orders. And, according to C.D. Darlington [The Evolution of Man and Society, Simon & Schuster, 1971, p. 350] the absence of a Negro problem in the Arab world has genocidal undertones. 'In general it is clear that the Negro slave has been sterilized. Castration in meeting the demand for black eunuchs has been one factor. Infanticide, abortion, perversion, both homosexual and heterosexual, are other factors.'

"I am white; I am white"
bob shepherdBob Shepherd
My Recurring Nightmare
Is this my whiteman guilt?
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I had a recurring nightmare - two or three times (or more). In it, I was on the street. A woman came by, a young woman, pretty enough, blond I believe. She was friendly seeming, and I was pleased that she noticed me, and did not reject my interest. She lingered, sauntering past me, clearly aware of me. I wanted to compliment her, what a nice sculpted ass. She was wearing sky high stilettos and they shaped her butt into the cutest bubble. She then gave me full attention, but my complimentary gaze and appreciation suddenly offended her. Not acknowledging her own instigation, she turned on me. "What's your problem, dirtball. Get away from me. HELP! ----- HELP! Get away, CREEP!" Suddenly I was surrounded, and there was angry men all over, threatening me. They are mauling me, man-handling me. My clothes are ripped off. I hear the same woman: "Lust Maniac!! The N-word tried to rape me!" There were imprecations and curses, and racial epithets, the N-word, and somebody appeared with a rope. I am stark naked. A woman said, take that whip, and skin this (N-word) alive. Beat the skin off his back. Was she trying to save my neck? Was she trying to save my life? I was being dragged off somewhere. It was out in the country. I was going to be lynched? A woman said, "Cut his *%#@&* off. Teach this (N-word) a lesson he'll never forget." Was she trying to save my life? Suddenly I woke up, frighteningly wide awake. Why did I keep having the same dream? I was wide awake, and terrified. Now, I could not sleep, so as before I got up. The scene was seared in my brain. I'm sure my eyes were bulging in terror. It was like a "horror of great darkness" had fallen upon me (Genesis 15:12). Why did I keep having this same spine-chilling nightmare. I am white. I am white. I kept trying to make myself return to normalcy, looking at my hands, my arms -- rechecking my skin color, looking in the mirror. I got something to eat. Science says we all have Africa in us, in our DNA. We all have every race in our DNA, but my family is white. Besides, I meant no harm. She was pretty, I was only complimenting her. God help us all. [3/13/2012]


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